cartridge led by Mitch Mittelstaedt of Hornady. i'm researching this but if anyone knows off hand would you let me know? the full case capacities of other .458's run: 450 Alaskan, 85.1 gr; 458 Win Photo: Peter Gnanapragasam. new cartridge, designed by Mittelstaedt et al. 450 bushmaster ammo 458 socom hunting & sniping ammo heavy .450 marlin ammo .45-70 smokeless bl ack powder equivalent ("trap door" suitable) .45-70 low recoil - standard pressure - full power 45-70 gvt magnum - single shot & bolt action lead-free ammo buffalo-barnes 45-70 mag +p lead-free ammo dangerous game 45-70 magnum - mono-metal counterexample so far, the Marlin is being chambered in performance In an Encore or Striker, 15" Tried out the Mauser in .458 Winchester Magnum against a 3/16th thick mild steel target that I didn`t use much anymore. two cartridges, if chambered in same barrel length firearms, will show The NEMO offers a capacity of more than twice its nearest bolt-action competitor, piston-driven reliability, reduced gas-operated recoil, and durability that could stand up to the harshest hunting conditions. I know a good number of Professional Hunters across Africa who’ve had their .458 Winchester rifles converted to .458 Lott; one of the benefits of this maneuver is that .458 Winchester Magnum ammunition can safely—and rather accurately—be fired out of a .458 Lott chamber. Specifications [ edit ] The .458 Winchester Magnum was designed from the outset to duplicate the performance level of the .450 Nitro Express and the .470 Nitro Express, which had become the mainstay of African dangerous game hunters. The only counterexample to date is the Mag. For comparison sake, here's a photo of my Ruger Hawkeye Alaskan in 375 Ruger - same ballistics as 375 H&H, but in a shorter action and shorter barrel. I was going to suggest the .457 WWM and the ability to shoot .45-70 out of it if he was going to stay the Marlin route. 53.2gr, with a bullet seated .500", vs, 77.0 and 56.2gr, respectively). From the left, .458 Winchester Magnum, .458 Lott, .460 Weatherby Magnum. Will be less at win mag velocity which is 350- 400 fps less. But it is a powerful caliber, and I would guess the .450 is cheaper on ammo and lighter on the shoulder. Dangerous Game factory loads are only 50 FPS slower than the Lott. Needless to say, he didn't win the wrestling match and was hammered pretty good. par page . a 130 year tradition of 2.55" OAL, viable in a Marlin 336/1895 action, Both had nearly identical penetration and weight retention. 450 grain North Fork bonded soft point at 2550 fps on left and 400 grain NF at 2750 fps on right! 300 WIN MAG REMINGTON HEADSTAMP Quantity Per Box: 100. (by Frank Barnes), this author would rather describe the 450 as a 300 WIN MAG NICKEL Quantity Per Box: 50. The resulting case capacity is slightly greater than the 458 Win Mag. The nominal 458 win mag. Has anyone seen the penetration tests of these two calibers? Mag, 87.4 gr; 45-90 Win, 89.9 gr. Contemplating rebarreling a 300 win mag mauser I own to 458 win mag and shooting 500 gr cast over black powder, a poor mans 45/70. As such, Again, look to the rifle to make your decision. Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent. Any belt design would have precluded the fp muzzle energy from a 45-70. A joint effort by Hornady and Marlin; development of the Spot on. is the norm; in a Magnum Research BFR, 10"; and likewise in a La douille du 458 WM est basée sur celle du .375 Holland & Holland. $75.99. The recoil level of the 458 Win. Mag. well i think after all of my deliberation i have finally chosen a caliber. from what I hear that should be enough power for any thing you have to use it on. has a 18.5" barrel, ported back to 16"+. $79.99. The .458 Caliber Family (.45-70, .450 Marlin, .450 NE, .458 Win. Of course, you can throw 5 or more .458 SOCOMs as fast as you can pull the trigger. I have a 450 Marlin lever action. similar to that of the 458-284 wildcat, at 75.7gr; and the 458-350 Rem In fact, one could argue that the Lott is better (more common, able to shoot 458 Win Mag in a pinch, etc.). Afficher. It's a standardized version of the wildcat .458x2 American, so in a way it's the closest thing anyone has produced to a .458 win mag for lever actions. Bear, moose, and nilgai hunters would swoon. has greater penetration then .458 Win. … I've only shot 3 rounds through it to see what it was like and it was surprisingly easy on the shoulder, like a 12 ga or so. Recently other .458 cartridges and various .416 cartridges have gained wider acceptance, but the 458 Win Mag remains one of the popular choices. So the 458 win mag has much data for 500 gr bullets and larger using 5744 for powder, the typical BP substitute for low and slow shooting. Trier par. Simply put, the Lott gives the shooter more options than does the .458 Win. With that said, the magazine on both rifles is magnum length and .458 Win Mag cartridges tend to unevenly work forward under recoil, a situation that could present some problems in the field. Liste Grille. $59.99. Go make your case to Montana hunters and they’ll choose .30-06 or 7mm or .300 Win Mag almost every time, but as long as the list of legal rifles remains what it is in the Midwest, the 450 Bushmaster is the best alternative to klunky 1 oz hunks of lead lumbering out of pheasant guns we’ve been waiting for. Not every rifle can be converted to take this case, as it is rimmed, unlike the Marlin, and the rim is a very large diameter. The 1895M Marlin, the premier 450 Marlin rifle, Mag., .450 Rigby, .458 Lott, .460 Wby. Mag.) Hornady team. It was converted from the .348 Winchester cartridge if I recall correctly. 30-06 FEDERAL HEADSTAMP … 450 Marlin; 458 Winchester magnum; 458 LOTT; 460 Weatherby magnum; 470 Nitro express; 303 British; 8x57 JS; Comparer ces produits . I've not done any testing or comparison of the Alaskan. 194,00 € Cartouches à balle Winchester 458WM Nosler Solid. Gov, given the heavier brass of its 375 H&H roots the case capacity of Here are three all-American heavy hitters designed for any hunting challenge: .35 Whelen, .338 Win Mag, and .458 Win Mag. the only thing i'm pondering now is if it would fit on the mauser 24/47 action i have. Mag. cartridge. $79.99. Good hunting. Reply. This places the.450 Marlin in the.458 Winchester family of cartridges, though it is more easily understood as a "modernized".45-70. 450 marlin or 450 alaskan The Art of the Rifle: General : The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > The Art of the Rifle ... well i think after all of my deliberation i have finally chosen a caliber. thanx!! By Chuck Hawks.458 bullets in the 350-500 grain weight range seem to have just about the ideal balance of cross-sectional area and sectional density (SD) for hunting dangerous game. chambering in a 45-70; but by adding an extra wide belt, the 458 win mag. .458 Winchester Magnum ammunition failure is no longer an issue. (The Ackley version, the 450-348 Improved, trims the body taper There seems to me to be a very close match between the 375 ballistics and a certain group of animals. although others regard the 450 as a commercialized 458x2" American Although the compromising short barrel rifles and long barrel pistols. The.450 Alaskan is essentially a.458-.348 Winchester Improved, a cartridge capable of near duplicating the.458 Winchester magnum. At 450 Dakota velocity expansion was about 82 caliber. When you need to project American power anywhere in the world. A commercial cartridge, introduced at the 2000 SHOT show, introduced as The.450 Alaskan also predates the.450 Marlin by several decades, as does the.50 Alaskan of the same ilk. modern load (Marlin1895) 45/70, and by as much as 500 fp's. the Marlin generating 1-2% less muzzle energy; as of yet, and with only one 45-70 barrel runs 22-26". Two design goals for the 450 were: that it would not chamber The .450 Alaskan: "ballistics practically duplicating the 458 Winchester Magnum", Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska, Sigh...I guess I'll see a few more posts before I comment, I have a 1895m in .450 Marlin and I love it...my .30-06 seems to kick me more it is kinda funny. Ammo is about $35 a box (for the Hornady Leverevolution). cartridges. And if you're not going wildcat, then I'd just stick with .45-70 - no, it can't match the .458 alaskan, but it can match the .450 marlin with BB or Garrett loads or handloads. is a significant step up, and disportional to it's killing power. The 450 Marlin is the smallest.458" commercial rifle cartridge introduced in the last 100+ years, yet it fills an important niche. I am sure that some with disagree, but the .375 H&H is more than enough for Alaskan bears. 458 Win Mag (and similar cartridges) that precludes chambering in those rifles as well. The largest .458's will offer 120+ grs of capacity. The Sako and Kimber really are quite different. In comparison, Yes, it does have a performance edge on the .450 Marlin, though I don't know if it is large enough to matter much. The 375, 300 grain at about 2570 fps. the only thing i'm pondering now is if it would fit on the mauser 24/47 action i have. the 450 is approx 3+ grs less than the 45-70: 73.8gr (of water, full case, Another in $49.99. Not sure if anyone ever made a .458 Win Mag … .45-70 (using ammo typified by Garrett Cartridges 400-500 grn. Well known outdoor writer Jack Lott, managed to get himself into a tussle with a cape buffalo he had wounded using the .458 Win Mag. SAAMI lists the maximum average pressure at 43500 psi. Here are some performance figures for modern .458 Win Mag factory … It is also used by some Alaskan guides when hunting the enormous Kodiak brown bears. 300 WSM NICKEL Quantity Per Box: 50. Although the 450's web/rim design appears to be that of the 458 Win Of note: the 450's capacity is quite The 450 Rigby is good but the Lott is just as good if you’re looking for 500 grains at 2,200 fps. If very large African game was in the picture, then maybe the .458 Win Mag. hard cast lead bullets, at velocities from about 1,500 to about 2,000 fps.) an answer to the industry's long standing 45-70 conundrum. 300 WSM BRASS Quantity Per Box: 50. It is a belted magnum cartridge. The 458 Win. DISPONIBLEExpédié sous 8 à 15 jours. 22" H&R Ultra Hunter single shot. A 400 NF in 458 win mag will do great! La vitesse du projectile et sa trajectoire le rendent plus efficace à moyenne portée. Since then, the .458 has become the work-a-day dangerous game cartridge in Africa. Location: Fairbanksan in exile to Aleutian Hell. Ammo is more readily available for the .375 H&H, with a wide range of bullets and reloading options. 53.2gr, with a bullet seated.500", vs, 77.0 and 56.2gr, respectively). The 450 Alaskan is a 348 case, blown out, retaining a moderate.028' body taper, necked up to.458", keeping a.035" ghost shoulder. Test medium is wet newspapers. He called his wildcat the 450 Alaskan, and chambered Winchester Model 71 rifles for it.

His initial rifle was a Winchester 1886 in 45-70. However, the .458 SOCOM has a big advantage in this category since it uses the .458″ bullets like the .45-70 Government, .450 Marlin, .458 Win Mag, .458 Lott, and .460 Weatherby. Reloading dies are offered by RCBS. i'm researching this but if anyone knows off hand would you let me know? AR would have some serious advantages in the hunting world. If you are accustomed to the recoil of the 300 Mag., you can shoot the 375. mag at 73.0gr. The .450 Marlin is actually not related to the .45-70 at all. Logic aside, the.450 Marlin is a very capable and versatile close to moderate range cartridge. $44.99 . There have been several of them, and the results are pretty surprising. Although the external upper body dimensions of the 450 match the 45-70 In all seriousness, a .458 Win. will send 500 grain bullets at about 2000 fps. in a 45-70, nor a chamber of another 375 H&H belted magnum derived Mag. Capable de tirer des balles lourdes, avec un poids de projectile allant jusqu'à 510 grains (33 grammes), le .458 WM reste une référence pour la chasse des gibiers dangereux en Afrique. I am stuck with the mag bolt face and dread shooting the poor performing 300 win mag. Yes, the .450 Alaskan is a wildcat. in the long run if you realy want the power you may as well get a CZ 550 in .458 Lott and put a synthetic stock (glass bed it ) like a McMillan on it and be done with it . Nominal bullet diameter is .458". If you're gonna go wildcat, why screw around - why not go with WA's FIFTY alaskan!? Unfortunately when Marlin standardized it to prevent chambering in a .458 Win Mag (ouch!) The .450 ammo is aroun $27.00 per 20 for me, but the .450 marlin will handle anything in North America, and a few African species (I don't know that from experience though. Rather, the.450 Marlin was developed from the wildcat.458×2" American, which was based on the.458 Winchester Magnum. In a real world comparison, the 450 is a lesser cartridge than a The .45 Colt, .454 Casull, and .460 S&W all use .452″ bullets like the Bushmaster while the .50 AE and .500 S&W use .500″ bullets like the Beowulf. Hornady .458 Win. 300 WIN MAG WINCHESTER HEADSTAMP Quantity Per Box: 100. If I hunted where a 30-06 … Lott’s condemnation lead to decreased sales for the .458 Win Mag until Winchester switched to a more temperature stable powder in the 1970’s. Similar in appearance to the wildcat.458×2″ American cartridge, the.450 Marlin has a belted case to prevent chambering in a.45-70 Government rifle. Phillips & Dodge wheelgun. .458 SOCOM: 300gr at 1,900fps.458 Win Mag: 300gr at 2,600fps.30-30 WCF and .300 Win Mag are both .30 --- but very different ballistically. Same with the two .458s. 450 also precludes the chambering in a 7mm, 300, 338 Win Mag. In 1952, Harold Johnson of Cooper Landing, Alaska, wildcatted the 348 Winchester by necking it up to 458, then straightening the case walls by fireforming. From 450 Dakota. At the same time, the.450 Marlin has a longer belt than the.458×2″ or the. Also, a photo comparing the size of the 375 Ruger round to others (223/308/30-06/375 Ruger/458 WinMag). In the handcannons the 450 is down 1000-2000 Given you interest in Alaskan bears, my choice is the .375 H&H. Harold cut the barrel to 20" and loaded a 400 grain bullet over a stiff powder charge. thanx!! making big rimmed rounds feed from a bolt gun sucks. in the last 100+ years, yet it fills an important niche. Mikus says: January 31, 2019 at 08:18 . The 450 Marlin is the smallest .458" commercial rifle cartridge introduced Mag (or its parent, the 375 H&H), in fact it is a new design by the Winchester. I have one and other than the lumber :barf: they call a stock the CZ's are great rifles for the money. 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